Rating system should be changed
Replace the 10 rating system to a LIKE icon only
By allowing the uploader to be able to turn on and off the ratings. just like Comments, seems like the best solution to please the most. People who don’t like ratings can simply turn them off.
We’re currently working on a new system!
Oh, incidentally, I *did* have this discussion with someone in admin, even offered to put in my time and help (ie, "nut up or shut up"), even if only providing an "outsider's" [counter]point-of-view, and got blown off completely, not even a reply to that email.
Tying an account to an IP address only works for *opening* a new account; otherwise, you'd never be able to look/rate/whatever from work vs home, or from a public wifi spot, etc. Nor would be tying it to an email address, as you can create new ones on-the-fly virtually anywhere. (I don't even remember how many throwaway email addresses I have at this point.)
But yeah, ratings are a magnet for slammers and the like. I'd do away with ratings, likes, even ACs (user-selectable, as some people still like getting stroked). Comments not only let people express their approval and critiques of the shot, but also *IDENTIFY THE SPEAKER*. No more hiding in anonymity.
For me, some photographers take and post pix that *to me* are oozing with subtlety, where I look and have a "meh..." reaction at first, then just get drawn in and wonder at the layers of depth in the shot, and *KEEP COMING BACK* to look. Other shots, usually oohed and aahed about by the "Ooh, colors!!" crowd, are eye-candy. Garish colors, but skewed horizons (especially seascapes!), blurry, or have other fatal flaws. *Those* are the ones that would like-ly (haha) get all the "likes".
So yeah, to each his own and all, but I'd just as soon opt out of *all* of that.
I gotta comment, though, that all this is just "rearranging deck chairs", so to speak, when there are other fundamental flaws here that *aren't* being addressed. Like I said before, academic.
For those who have issues with folks that have more than one account, on an IP address...
First of all, more than one person might have an account on the same computer (IP address) like husband and wife... Parents and kids...
And, I have two accounts for EXACTLY the reason we are discussing this change!
I was being slammed hard, and constantly.
After many months of trying to avoid the jerk...
I just opened another account, and left the slammers behind.
I wish I could MERGE the two accounts, but I doubt that will ever happen.
I guess my thought is, WUG should be able to tell who is being a slammer, and eliminate their participation!
We also must remember: that even though I think my shot is a "10"... That may just not be true.
I have had shots I thought were fabulous, and then a (what I think is) "lesser" shot is chosen as an AC...
I came to realize that this type of thing is just the way of the world, and not out to GET me.
How about an option to opt out of having your shot scored?
There is already a button to opt out of comments on a shot...
Since the AC's and other galleries are not dependent on the actual score.
It is not like there is a gallery for highest scores!
AC's are chosen by Approvers.
But here is the thing...
Part of the reason I have worked hard to improve my photos, is the incentives offered... Like scores, and AC's...
It would be helpful to have SOME kind of feedback about the photos.
I think it bears repeating.
How about a "like" or thumbs up for the REAL photo aspects.
Composition (like button)
Light ( " )
Subject ( " )
And a comment box.That way it becomes. If you don't like it you don't vote.
And a button could exist to disable this type of feedback.
It seems like most of the complaints are about the slamming, and cliques, and favorites.
I, literally, did many things to avoid my best shots being slammed, when a troll was after my shots.
Including uploading lesser, similar, shots first, so the the troll would think he already got the shot, when I uploaded the best shot, later. Pitiful, isn't it!
Eventually I just opened a new account with the algoressister handle, and hid out for a while... It is kinda like being in High School, and harassed by a bully. The bully eventually finds a better target.
Agreed on the IP-address limitation, if it could be made to work. There are still plenty of workarounds to get around that. :)
But I still gotta say, *ANY* kind of "feedback* like that, even a "thumbs-up", "like", whatever, can still be faked, and still leads to cliques and mutual-admiration societies "liking" each others' pix. A comment and/or email is still the best way to say, "Hey, nice pic!". Sure, the same cliques will comment on each others' pix, but this way at least it's more obvious, vs abstract numbers.
Quick example, go to youtube and find a video of a song you like. There may be 100 of them out there, and the most popular ones might have crappy video and/or audio, yet be way up there as "most-viewed". Dig down, and you can find a vid that only has 100 views instead of 10,000, yet is higher-definition, has better audio quality, etc., just not the "popularity" of the crappier vids.
Same here, a lot of pix are "popular" based on splashes of color that you see in the index, not the quality of the shot.
Eh, whatever. It's academic at this point.
Apparently there is someone who has at least 3 handles for herself. She gives herself high ratings and also slams other poster's photos with her different handles. Each IP address should only allow one handle. Getting rid of the rating system would decrease the urge people like this have to create several handles. I think a thumb's up rating instead of numerical would be better.
I have to agree with eireseeker,katy,ralfo,and suzi!! :-D I also wonder,,why,when we get a mail/comment notification,why admin could not eliminate what seems like an unnecessary step in the notification format..when you click on your 'mail' it should automatically come up,[at least that is how it works on my end..] instead of clicking through [click here to read/see comment] etc,,?
comments only..no "rating" system at all..doesn't serve any purpose and takes away from the purpose of this site..and comments are not anonymous..another plus...
This is the best idea yet for WunderPhotos. This would eliminate hard feelings and angst among uploaders, and take away any 'power' that may or may not be in the hands of those sly members commonly called 'slammers' who do not identify themselves. I don't think anyone should have to identify themselves when voting, but there do seem to be a few, probably a very few, who hide in anonymity and give low votes with prejudice. Eliminating votes and instilling the 'like' system would eliminate that instantly.
I'd like to see the numbers ratings go away entirely. Viewer comments is a much friendlier format, and a simple 'thumbs-up' or 'like' would be just fine for rating. That would totally do away with negativity directed by a very few, at a very few.
It's with interest that I'm finding new emails regarding this subject. I solved the problem by discontinuing to post photos to the site and rarely even visit the site these days. I used to really like the Wunder Photos part of Weather Underground. Photography should be fun and not an exercise in which someone uploads photos in order to get validation for their photo by a ratings system and rack up as many AC's as possible. Undercurrents of jealousy, competition, slamming, and fawning were all too apparent. Who needs that?
Please notice the low total rating of this 10 photo. This is a result of the unnecessary rating system with slamming. I have been a victim of an obsessed woman that slams people. She has been doing this to me for over 5 years and still is. I did write Alan Steremberg and others for years with proof. Also WITH ideas that would correct this and other problems here for everyone! THEY KNOW WHO SHE IS! BUT! They did nothing so far for us! And! you also have people that know and give each other 10's only. THIS RATING SYSTEM is not a truth evaluation of any picture here. It is LUDICROUS to keep any part of it! (Like) is Fair And Good for everyone. Comments if people want them is all you need. GIVE US A CHOICE IF WE WANT ANY TYPE OF RATING OF OUR PHOTO> LIKE WE HAVE A CHOICE IF WE WANT COMMENTS ON OUR PHOTOS. P.S. There are other problems here!
WOW.....it's been about a year since this got started,,so imagine my surprise when I get some new emails on this subject.....and so?? Everything still seems to be the same.....I understand there is some kind of forum going on shortly or online meeting,on this topic? Well,,hope something real positive and workable comes from it.....I always note that over 1 1/2 MILLION photos are uploaded every day,and so that suggest tons of folks are putting up pix....and I can't help but now think,that 'gee'..if we users all paid that 10 dollar membership fee....which to me right now,seems really enticing if it actually means basically no commercial ads...I would do it if it also meant changing a few things around here...but,,IF it were 10/year..seems fair..since we don't really get any real benefit for sharing our photos,,which people can steal,or use for adverts.......we as a community certainly should be respected enough to have our opinions listened to with thoughtful ears,and solutions.right? NO SPAM'n'SLAM...is a CAM-paign worth fighting for...
What are the actual parameters of this site anyway.....? It's a weather information site,,first,and foremost..well,,now it seems to be a commercial propagator, using important weather access in return for your almighty dollar. Economic terrorism in one small way....the way I look at it. It seems like everything has to be attached to making a buck...and if you have noted some of the ads on our photo sharing galleries,,I have to wonder it's okay to put up animated gifs or strips showing ladies BIG HOOTERS and some Fantasy 'BABE' just to get someone to look at my unprofessional photos of some events in my day that I want to share with other like-minded wunderpals
and probably get 'low-balled',,[excuse the pun,,lol] an extra 'bonus'..heh....so I can make W/U some money....Nobody ever seems to listen or care about our concerns as a community entity here..but they sure want us to upload as many photos as we possible can get away with.....well,,hell,,I am rambling already,,due to low blood sugar because I have not eaten a thing all day...my big beef is that I just want to come on here,,look at what the weather forecast is for my area or around the world,,read about weather,learn about weather,share photos,meet and keep new friends,not spend time dinking around with how long it takes to upload because there are so many categories,and fields of information we have to apply,[HELLOOOO TIME CONSUMING] yes,,I'm 'shouting''emphasizing here to express my voice..why couldn't we keep things simple,easy,and fun? Are we are photo-judging competition here? If so,,then set aside a separate section for just that,,,as well as just photo-sharing [not stealing] conversation community with relevant information...
If a photo Judging section,,then set some simple,well thought out rules to govern that section..in a fair,secure,virutual 'safe' format,with perhaps some contests that offer some kind of meaningful reward/award...which might come from a portion of the 'membership' proceeds...and even start a disaster relief fund so that those of us that view these ocurrences can actually lend our support in a good way..etc,etc...
Well, sad to say, but nothing's going to change, so get used to it. :P
There is a photo site that I like, that has a choice of three positives...
Sort of a "Good Better Best.." type of thing...
OR You could make several categories...
Focus (Like button)
Content (Like button)
Lighting (Like button)
This would give the photographer a little info about the pic, without being slammed.
But, I have gotten used to the 1 thru 10 system, and have grown a thicker skin because of it.
The thing about comments is your name goes with it so no one is about to make a pithy comment
with their name attached . As Ralfo said there are some little weasels out there who just love
to ding a great picture
Ratings should be something like 1-4 stars. Most of us know that there is no rating given for a click of 6 or below.
I agree - that would be the best of all worlds!
I have removed all my comments because I wonder what is the mission of weather underground photos?
The rating system should have been changed years ago as per all my letters. Because there are many that rate people's photo's very low (Slamming ) just because they are jealous, spiteful, and are obsessed.to receive an AC! etc...Being slammed by someone is degrading, annoying, and like they are slapping you in the face or attacking you! Yes! I know! I have been slammed for over 4 years now and she still does it. WU Know who it is but has never stop her??? I know of people that have left WU because of slamming and AC's being the cause of it. Getting rid or the Rating System will stop all the sickness of slamming to ALL of us. This will restore Harmony to this Lovey Photo Club to Everyone the way it Should Be! Ralfo. .